Thursday, July 14, 2005
9:45 PM — God Hates Fags
Oh man, as if I haven't found enough hatred on the net, I found a link to God Hates Fags. This site even has a WARNING PAGE, for fuck's sake, telling just how horrid the contents are! People like this make me glad to be atheist.
Some choice words:
This page is a CHURCH website, and they still believe in predestination! omfg...
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Some choice words:
The Westboro Baptist Church (WBC) of Topeka, Kansas, is an Old School (or, Primitive) Baptist Church. In short, we adhere to the teachings of the Bible, preach against all form of sin (e.g., fornication, adultery, sodomy), and insist that the doctrines of grace be taught publicly to all men. These doctrines of grace were well summed up by John Calvin in his 5 points of Calvinism: Total Depravity, Unconditional Election, Limited Atonement, Irresistible Grace, and Perseverance of the Saints. Although these doctrines are almost universally hated today, they were once loved and believed. ...
Please see The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination by Jerom Zanchius. Most of the major Confessions of Faith throughout the history of the New Testament Church have also advanced these ideas. So, even though the Arminian lies that "God loves everyone" and "Jesus died for everyone" are being taught from nearly every pulpit in this generation, this hasn't always been the case. In fact, if you are in a Church that supposedly believes the Bible, and you are hearing these lies, then your church has apostatized.
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This page is a CHURCH website, and they still believe in predestination! omfg...
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Not all churches are created equal... "don't judge sheep by actions of wolves in sheep's clothing"
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I hesitate to mention it again, but I will anyway. ;)
The fact that Christ loves homosexuals doesn't mean he condones their (or anyone's) sin. Loving is different than condoning.
The fact that Christ loves homosexuals doesn't mean he condones their (or anyone's) sin. Loving is different than condoning.
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LovingRight:
I'm a community college prof of physics and general science. Amusingly, a couple weeks ago I tried to run a survey at another blog of mine asking how many people were profs, and didn't really get a response, but I do keep running into us. Yourself?
Matt:
Thank goodness not all churchs behave like that! Isn't it amazing that our country was founded by wackos of that sort? :) Of course, I'll readily admit to being all kinds of wacko myself.
Great conversation folks! I'm going to be out of town until around August 16 but I hope to post occasionally in the meantime, and if there's more replies I'll try and get back to you sometime. Thanks for reading!
I'm a community college prof of physics and general science. Amusingly, a couple weeks ago I tried to run a survey at another blog of mine asking how many people were profs, and didn't really get a response, but I do keep running into us. Yourself?
Matt:
Thank goodness not all churchs behave like that! Isn't it amazing that our country was founded by wackos of that sort? :) Of course, I'll readily admit to being all kinds of wacko myself.
Great conversation folks! I'm going to be out of town until around August 16 but I hope to post occasionally in the meantime, and if there's more replies I'll try and get back to you sometime. Thanks for reading!
LOL.... just to lower the tone, I first read:
"The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination"
as
"The Doctrine of Absolute Pedestrianisation"
The great and wondrous Bible eh..... this word of God that has been translated time and again and we still reckon it is the word of God?
Have some great time away Zandperl. See you when you get back :-)
"The Doctrine of Absolute Predestination"
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"The Doctrine of Absolute Pedestrianisation"
The great and wondrous Bible eh..... this word of God that has been translated time and again and we still reckon it is the word of God?
Have some great time away Zandperl. See you when you get back :-)
If I may comment on Doris' comment: "The great and wondrous Bible eh..... this word of God that has been translated time and again and we still reckon it is the word of God?"
I won't make any comments on the Old Testament becaus I haven't studied that nearly as much as the New Testament. But as far as the NT goes, eventhough it has been translated and translated over and over again, there has been rigorous scholarship into reproducing the original Greek. The current Greek text (known as the Nestle-Aland 27th edition) has been put together using the "eclectic method" meaning that take all the nuerous manuscripts found (numbering over 2000) and combine them into what can be considered a text fairly similar to the original autograph (while none of that actual autographs have been found). The choices of what will be considered "original" will depend on how old the text is, the location it was found, and other factors that relate to quality of that document itself. As far as the content is is genearlly assumed that the more "origial" reading will be the more difficult one. Variant readings can be classified as being either intentional or unintentional. The unintentinal ones are usually variants caused by mis-hearing or mis-copying and can usually be easily identified. The intentional ones are often hard to spot, or at least harder to tell which is more "original". These variants include those that were introduced (possibly by scribes) to sometimes correct grammar, spelling, or even areas that they felt were theologically incorrect. I guess my point is that Christian scholars are very involved with looking for the "original" text even if that means using a more difficult reading of the text. That being said, the overa quarter million variant readings have never actaully caused a problem in ANY of the main foundational Christian beliefs. I find that to be pretty amazing.
Sorry that became a little long winded, it is a complext subject that I find very interesting!
I won't make any comments on the Old Testament becaus I haven't studied that nearly as much as the New Testament. But as far as the NT goes, eventhough it has been translated and translated over and over again, there has been rigorous scholarship into reproducing the original Greek. The current Greek text (known as the Nestle-Aland 27th edition) has been put together using the "eclectic method" meaning that take all the nuerous manuscripts found (numbering over 2000) and combine them into what can be considered a text fairly similar to the original autograph (while none of that actual autographs have been found). The choices of what will be considered "original" will depend on how old the text is, the location it was found, and other factors that relate to quality of that document itself. As far as the content is is genearlly assumed that the more "origial" reading will be the more difficult one. Variant readings can be classified as being either intentional or unintentional. The unintentinal ones are usually variants caused by mis-hearing or mis-copying and can usually be easily identified. The intentional ones are often hard to spot, or at least harder to tell which is more "original". These variants include those that were introduced (possibly by scribes) to sometimes correct grammar, spelling, or even areas that they felt were theologically incorrect. I guess my point is that Christian scholars are very involved with looking for the "original" text even if that means using a more difficult reading of the text. That being said, the overa quarter million variant readings have never actaully caused a problem in ANY of the main foundational Christian beliefs. I find that to be pretty amazing.
Sorry that became a little long winded, it is a complext subject that I find very interesting!
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Good Post, I like your blog.
It seems they are preaching more about John Calvin than the bible. I don't think his books were added to the canon last time I checked...
Here's a post I did on homosexuality and Christianity.
http://casadejuanito.blogspot.com/2005/08/to-friend.html
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It seems they are preaching more about John Calvin than the bible. I don't think his books were added to the canon last time I checked...
Here's a post I did on homosexuality and Christianity.
http://casadejuanito.blogspot.com/2005/08/to-friend.html
-John
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